Well ya know i think that whether, er, you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, uh, you know is, is, is above my paygrade. But, but, but let, let, let me speak more generally about the issue of abortion, because this is obviously something the country wrestles with. One thing that I'm absolutely convinced of is that there is a moral and ethical element to this issue, and so I think anybody who tries to deny the moral difficulties and gravity of the abortion issue, I think, is not paying attention.

At the moment of conception.