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    Question Comment
    Gregory Morris, 11/27/07 12:31:23 pm
    I was wondering... if SCOTUS finds the Second Amendment to be an individual right, on par with say, the First Amendment... Will the ACLU support it? Even though this is already a clear-cut issue, in my humble-yet-correct opinion, a positive Supreme Court ruling would chisel it into stone, much like they did with a woman's "right" to have an abortion. Logic would dictate that the ACLU would have no other choice in the matter, if they choose to "remain true" to their phony baloney mission statement.
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    Re: Question
    Armed Canadian, 11/27/07 1:17:56 pm
    Just watching them tap dance around the issue with crow's feet dangling from their mouths will be worth it. I suspect an individual rights ruling is going to come as quite a shock to a lot of organizations.

    Unfortunately for them, the ACLU has made a name for themselves in this whole business of "civil liberties". Not my fault they chose to cherry pick. Otherwise, all they will do is marginalize themselves further. Not that I care since I tend to disagree with the ACLU more than I agree with them.
    Re: Question
    Gregory Morris, 11/27/07 1:36:11 pm
    See, that is where I differ from a lot of people. I've always been a fan of how they defend speech, regardless of content. They've done a lot of good in that arena. I don't agree with them about other things, sometimes, but I do there.

    The thing is, their official stance on the 2A is that it is a collective right, and gun ownership can be subject to numerous, constitutional, restrictions. I don't expect them to jump in bed with the NRA (assuming a positive ruling) but I'm just curious if they will even change their "it has to do with the militia" stance on the issue (here.)

    I'm pretty sure they'll continue to dance around it, but you have to admit it will be interesting to see if they react at all, and if so, how they will act.
    Re: Question
    Gregory Morris, 11/27/07 1:38:44 pm
    Note:"The ACLU agrees with the Supreme Court's long-standing interpretation of the Second Amendment [as set forth in the 1939 case, U.S. v. Miller] that the individual's right to bear arms applies only to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected. Therefore, there is no constitutional impediment to the regulation of firearms."

    If they "agree with the supreme court" now, I'd like to see them disagree after this is said and done. I think they will still (rightly) say that there are some legitimate "regulations", but they would no longer be able to ignore the individual right.
    Re: Question
    GunGeek, 11/28/07 8:31:46 am
    Ahhh, the real question is: Will Miranda style rights emerge if the 2A is found to be an individual right? After all, it was the SCOTUS that said that since the right to an attorney was protected by the Constitution, if you couldn't afford an attorney then the gov had to give you one for free. Now if the same court says that you have a right to keep and bear arms, they would have to mandate a similar policy for firearms. That's right....

    FREE GUNS FOR THE POOR!!

    Finally, a welfare program that I might be able to support.
    Re: Question
    Gregory Morris, 11/28/07 8:50:18 am
    Hahah. Now that would be funny. Impossible, but funny. I'd settle for free ammunition ;)
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